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Electric aircraft are getting closer to practical use. Rolls-Royce of the United Kingdom will carry out the first flight of a small electric aircraft in the summer of 2021. Small electric aircraft are expected to be practical in 2023 and are expected to become popular as the economy recovers from the COVID-19 pandemic.

  

  Electric aircraft replace jet engines and gasoline engines with electric motors. Various drive methods have been developed, such as "hybrid" types that combine engines and motors. This can reduce energy consumption during flight and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

  

  

  According to the Air Transport Action Group (ATAG), in 2019, aircraft emitted 915 million tons of carbon dioxide, accounting for 3% of the world's total emissions, an increase of 40% in 20 years. The carbon dioxide emitted by an airplane for transporting one passenger is twice that of a bus and six times that of a railway.

  

  There are three main types of electric aircraft. The smallest is a "flying car" that takes off and lands vertically and does not require a runway. The second is a small aircraft that carries a few to a dozen people and takes off from a runway. The third is a medium-to-large aircraft that carries dozens of people or more. Generally speaking, electric aircraft need to increase the energy density of the battery and the output power of the motor while reducing the weight, so the larger the aircraft, the more difficult it is to put into practical use.

  

  Flying cars are expected to become practical by 2023. Joby Aviation, a US startup funded by Toyota, has developed a five-seater flying car that can fly more than 240 kilometers at a speed of 320 kilometers per hour and will begin commercial flights in 2023.

  

  German startup Lilium is developing a seven-seater aircraft that can fly at a speed of 280 kilometers per hour and will be commercialized in 2024. The aircraft uses Toray's carbon fiber to reduce the weight of the fuselage.

  

  The small electric aircraft has entered the full-scale test flight stage. Rolls-Royce will conduct the first test flight in the summer of 2021. The company's goal is to achieve a world-high flight speed of about 480 kilometers per hour. The characteristics are that it is equipped with about 6,000 batteries with "the highest energy density for aircraft use" (Rolls-Royce) and an independent cooling system. The small electric aircraft will be provided for domestic routes in Norway in 2026.

  

  Some companies have successfully conducted manned test flights. MagniX, an American startup, successfully carried out a single-person flight in 2019. It is reported that by optimizing the combination of motor magnets and coils, the reducer that changes the propeller speed was removed.

  MagniX installed electric motors on the seaplane. It is reported that when one motor is installed, it can fly up to 160 kilometers, and when two motors are installed, it can fly up to 815 kilometers at a speed of 407 kilometers per hour. The goal is to carry 11 people for a test flight in 2021 and obtain passenger permission in 2023.

  

  Some companies do not use batteries, but choose to use fuel cells that generate electricity using hydrogen.

  Startup ZeroAvia used fuel cells to fly a small aircraft in the fall of 2020. If the hydrogen tank is lightweight, fuel cells will become a power source to reduce weight. It aims to achieve commercial flights of about 800 kilometers with a 10-20-seat aircraft by 2024.

  

  The Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands and paint company Akzo Nobel are working together to launch a small aircraft using fuel cells by 2023. The earliest test flight is expected to be this summer. Airbus in Europe is also discussing a medium-to-large aircraft with 100 to 200 seats powered by hydrogen.

  To launch medium and large electric aircraft, the motor output power is believed to be more than 5 times the previous level, and the battery capacity is expected to be 4 to 5 times, which requires innovative technology.

  

  According to a survey by the Japan Aircraft Development Association, electric aircraft with 10 seats will be put into practical use in the first half of the 2020s. It is also expected that models with 50 to 100 seats will not be put into practical use until the second half of the 2020s, and models with more than 100 seats will not be put into practical use until the 2030s.

  

   The energy density of existing batteries is only about 1/50 of that of jet fuel, and the output power is also low. The Japan Aircraft Development Association estimates that in order for Boeing's "737 series" aircraft to take off, it would take about 50 tons of batteries based on calculations alone.

  

  Although there are technical issues, the trend of pursuing electrification of aircraft is expected to progress due to environmental protection measures. In 2018, Avinor, a Norwegian aviation and airport management company, announced that it plans to convert all short-haul flights taking off and landing in Sweden to electric aircraft by 2040. In 2019, a trend of avoiding flying, known as "flight shame," emerged in Europe. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) has set a goal of not increasing total emissions after 2020.

  

  The COVID-19 pandemic has led to a sharp drop in air passengers. Although it is difficult to accurately predict the recovery of demand in the future, the Japan Aircraft Development Association expressed its expectation in its market forecast released in March that "if the vaccine is widely used, (air passenger demand) will recover to 90-95% of 2019 by 2023 and exceed 100% by 2024."

  If economic activities become active, it is necessary to respond to climate change. Just as the French government has provided 15 billion euros in environmental protection measures for aircraft, it is expected that governments around the world will provide support.

  Electric aircraft face cost issues

  

  The popularization of electric aircraft faces cost issues. It is estimated that the body of electric aircraft will be cheaper than previous aircraft, but because of the large number of batteries and motors, the passenger and cargo space will become smaller, and profitability will deteriorate.

Flying car developed by Joby Aviation in the United States

     

  Estimates by Japan's International Aircraft Development Fund (IADF) show that electricity costs about $0.12 per kilowatt-hour to fly the same distance, which is about 1.7 times the cost of jet fuel.

  

  In terms of aircraft's response to climate change, the use of renewable fuel SAF has also been discussed. It is reported that the power cost of electric aircraft is cheaper than using SAF fuel, making it competitive.  

      

  If fuel cells are used, the cost of hydrogen fuel is as high as about $0.39 per kilowatt-hour. Compared with fuel cells for automobiles, if they are used in aircraft, the output per unit weight needs to be 2 to 3 times higher. At the same time, it is necessary to achieve lightweight fuel tanks and master cheap methods for producing hydrogen.

  

  Electric aircraft are expected to become popular by replacing propeller aircraft. The International Joint Development Promotion Fund for Aircraft estimates that the cost of an electric aircraft to transport a passenger one kilometer is $0.18, which is 40% lower than that of a propeller aircraft.

  

  According to statistics from MarketsandMarkets, an Indian market research company, the global market size for aircraft electrification is expected to reach US$3.4 billion by 2022 and US$8.6 billion by 2030. First, in the field of short-distance transportation, the demand for using electric motors to compensate for the required output power during takeoff and climb will increase.

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Electric vehicle technology has developed rapidly in recent years Are there any new breakthroughs in electric aircraft? What if there is no electricity in the air and they have to burn gasoline?   Details Published on 2023-12-30 17:14
 
 

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Electric aircraft technology is not very mature yet.

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The Y-7/Xinzhou-60 has been out for decades. Do you dare to ride it?  Details Published on 2021-8-2 18:08
 
 
 

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The reliability of aircraft is a comprehensive system engineering. Since the power unit of an aircraft driven by an electric motor can only be a propeller, the reliability comparison object of an electric aircraft should be a turboprop/piston fixed-wing aircraft or a turboshaft-powered helicopter that also uses a propeller power unit. When other conditions are the same, given the higher reliability of electric motors, it is obvious that the overall reliability of electric aircraft is higher. But the problem is that the power-to-weight ratio of electric motors above a certain power is lower than that of internal combustion engines, especially compared with modern turbofan jet engines. In addition, the energy-to-weight ratio of batteries is also much lower than that of aviation fuel, so electric aircraft cannot be larger aircraft, and the reliability of light/ultralight aircraft in complex weather conditions is far lower than that of large turbofan jet-powered aircraft. Therefore, even if the reliability of electric motors is higher, the safety issues caused by the lightness of the aircraft are enough to discourage people.

To sum up, among light and ultralight aircraft, electric drive is obviously more reliable, but this type of aircraft itself is inherently incapable of withstanding adverse weather conditions, so it is best not to ride it, no matter what kind of power it uses. If you want to fly, you should still take a large plane.

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Modern ships are already fully electric-driven, which is more flexible and convenient, and can greatly simplify bulky transmission mechanisms, which is more beneficial for large ships.

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Haha, I guess few people would dare to do it when it first came out.

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There will be no commercial use in the short term. They are toys for flying enthusiasts or the rich. Even if the technology matures in the future, try not to ride in small planes. This has nothing to do with electric power. The vast majority of air crashes are small planes, but the public is not interested and there are few reports.  Details Published on 2021-8-2 18:02
 
 
 

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Rolls-Royce is for the rich first

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Rolls-Royce turbofan aircraft engines are very common and are used by many domestic airlines. You can pay attention to them if you are in a suitable position when flying.  Details Published on 2021-8-2 18:06
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w494143467 posted on 2021-8-2 15:01 Haha, I guess few people dare to do it when it first comes out.

There will be no commercial use in the short term. They are toys for flying enthusiasts or the rich. Even if the technology matures in the future, try not to ride in small planes. This has nothing to do with electric power. The vast majority of air crashes are small planes, but the public is not interested and there are few reports.

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freebsder posted on 2021-8-2 16:34 Rolls-Royce lets the rich use it first

Rolls-Royce turbofan aircraft engines are very common and are used by many domestic airlines. You can pay attention to them if you are in a suitable position when flying.

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Of course, flying was still a luxury a few decades ago.  Details Published on 2021-8-3 18:12
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qwqwqw2088 posted on 2021-8-2 12:02 Electric aircraft technology is not very mature, I dare not

The Y-7/Xinzhou-60 has been out for decades. Do you dare to ride it?

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After a model of aircraft is developed, it needs to undergo many test flights. Even if the test flights are successful, commercial passenger aircraft still need to apply for licenses, which takes a very long time. For example, the domestic ARJ21 regional jet airliner was approved in 2002 and successfully made its first flight in 2007. The domestic license and a series of approval procedures were not obtained until the end of 2015, and the internationally accepted FAA license has not been obtained to date. Therefore, even if the electric aircraft is developed in the past one or two years as the original poster said, it will take at least three to five years for it to be put into commercial passenger flights. As for widespread commercial flights, especially long-distance transoceanic operations with large passenger capacity, it will probably never work unless there is a major technological revolution in related fields.

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chunyang published on 2021-8-2 18:06 Rolls-Royce turbofan aircraft engines are very common. Domestic airlines use them a lot. When you are in a suitable position on the plane, you can pay attention to it...

Of course, flying was still a luxury a few decades ago.

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This is true in China. The first time I took a plane was in February 1992, from Xi'an to Guangzhou, a former Soviet Union Tu154, the ticket price was 460 yuan, and my monthly salary at the time was 93 yuan.  Details Published on 2021-8-3 21:22
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freebsder posted on 2021-8-3 18:12 Of course, flying was still a luxury a few decades ago.

This is true in China. The first time I took a plane was in February 1992, from Xi'an to Guangzhou, a former Soviet Union Tu154, the ticket price was 460 yuan, and my monthly salary at the time was 93 yuan.

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5 months? ... It’s better now. Generally, those who work in technology can take one in 1/10 months, and if there is a discount, they can take more trips.  Details Published on 2021-8-3 22:09
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chunyang posted on 2021-8-3 21:22 This is indeed the case in China. The first time I took a plane was in February 1992, from Xi'an to Guangzhou, a former Soviet Union Tu154, the ticket price was 460 yuan, and my monthly salary at the time was 93 ...

5 months? ... It’s better now. Generally, those who work in technology can take one in 1/10 months, and if there is a discount, they can take more trips.

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freebsder posted on 2021-8-3 22:09 5 months? . . . That’s still better now. Generally, those who eat technical rice can sit in one in January or October, and they can go back and forth several times when there is a discount.

After all, times have changed. Young people today are much wealthier than we were when we were young, and reform and opening up are the prerequisite for all this to happen.

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I dare not sit down. A gentleman does not venture into danger before he survives.

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If you have the opportunity to ride, first buy 10 billion personal accident insurance before going

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This is still OK for agricultural use.

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Wouldn't it be embarrassing if the battery ran out halfway through the flight?

Let’s solve the battery storage problem first.

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Electric is indeed the trend of the future, but there are still many problems facing it at present.

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It is said that some places have already obtained road licenses. However, I don't really approve of this thing, it's more of a gimmick than a reality.
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