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Why is UWB indoor positioning, which is mainly aimed at shopping malls and underground garages, not being utilized? [Copy link]

What is the difference between UWB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and RFID?

UWB and Bluetooth

At first, UWB and Bluetooth may sound very similar. Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) is a low-power radio system that has been used in beacons for ranging and measuring location, or at least that’s the promise many beacon manufacturers are trying to sell.

BLE technology is relatively inexpensive and easy to implement. The problem is that with Bluetooth you can't really measure location or distance. What you can do is detect if a device like a smartphone is within range of another device (like a beacon).

Why is this? With Bluetooth, you can only distinguish whether the signal is weak or strong and translate that into being close or far away from the device.

This is really not the same as measuring exact distance or tracking location. Some solutions promise to convert that signal strength into a distance estimate, but the problem with this approach is that signal strength is a poor indicator of distance.

If the signal strength is low, it does not necessarily mean that the phone is far away from the beacon, but that there are obstacles between the beacon and the phone.

Bluetooth and Wifi operate at the same 2.4GHz frequency, so their signals are highly susceptible to noise interference, and they can be easily reflected or absorbed, resulting in inaccurate data and slow response speeds.

You can try to create a roamer and use a grid of beacons at fixed locations to take signal measurements every few meters to mitigate interference issues and improve accuracy. But these measurements are expensive, time-consuming to implement, and imprecise.

In contrast, UWB offers much higher accuracy (up to a few centimeters). In contrast to Bluetooth LE, it measures distance not based on signal strength, but rather the time it takes for the signal to travel from point A (smartphone) to point B (UWB tag).

Compared to Bluetooth, UWB has a shorter range.

Since UWB frequencies are 3.1–10.6GHz, there is limited potential for any signal interference, which is typically the case with BLE.

However, in some cases, BLE beacons are still the preferred solution. They have been on the market since 2013 and are readily available.

BLE-based solutions are also cheap and easy to integrate with any existing system. All smartphones have Bluetooth technology integrated, but UWB does not yet.

# Ultra Wideband Bluetooth (BLE Beacons)
Battery Low consumption Low consumption
scope Up to 200 meters Up to 70 meters
accuracy 10cm Up to 1 meter
cost Low Low
Best for Proximity marketing, customer analytics, indoor navigation, smart home, factory automation, asset tracking, logistics Proximity marketing, customer analytics, loyalty, indoor positioning

Ultra-wideband and geo-fencing

Geofencing uses GPS signals from satellites and cell towers to determine your exact location.

GPS accuracy is limited to 5 meters in the best case.

This accuracy is even worse if you are inside a building, as GPS signals are weaker inside enclosed buildings.

Using GPS has a big impact on the battery life of mobile devices. Geofencing doesn't work indoors, which is where ultra-wideband comes in.

UWB is currently the most accurate way to establish location indoors.

UWB is not only more accurate than GPS, but also faster.

# Ultra Wideband Geofencing (GPS)
Battery Low consumption Moderate consumption
scope Up to 200 m (656 ft) Unlimited (outdoor)
accuracy 10 cm (3.9 in) 5 m (16 ft)
cost Low Low (no infrastructure)
Best for Proximity marketing, customer analytics, indoor navigation, smart home, factory automation, asset tracking, logistics Outdoor activities, outdoor locations, customer analysis

UWB and NFC (RFID)

NFC is a relatively inexpensive RFID technology that operates in the 13.56MHz frequency band and is becoming increasingly popular due to its low cost and small size.

NFC has a range of only 4 centimeters (less than 2 inches), so it can only be used in certain scenarios, rather than establishing a precise location.

RFID cannot estimate distance, which is one of the most important advantages of UWB over other technologies.

All it can do is tell you that two objects are within 4 centimeters of each other, and that's it.

Passive NFC tags do not require any batteries and are usually integrated into key fobs, payment cards or devices.

One of the most popular use cases for NFC is using it for contactless payments with smartphones.

The NFC tag created in the smartphone is then read by the NFC reader in the POS to establish a secure connection and pay for the product.

UWB will likely outperform NFC in many use cases because it has all of the benefits of NFC.

The only drawback is that UWB signals must be broadcast, so UWB tags are more expensive than passive RFID tags.

# Ultra Wideband Near Field Communication (RFID)
Battery Low consumption No battery
scope Up to 200 m (656 ft) A few centimeters
accuracy 10 cm (3.9 in) How many centimeters?
cost Low Low
Best for Proximity marketing, customer analytics, indoor navigation, smart home, factory automation, asset tracking, logistics Loyalty, one-click messaging, security checkpoints

UWB and Wifi

Before Apple announced the iBeacon protocol in 2013, Wifi was the most common indoor positioning technology.

The main advantage of Wifi over UWB technology is its availability in public and private places around the world.

All smartphones are Wifi-enabled, making it a fairly easy option for many companies.

The main disadvantage of Wifi compared to UWB is the common method of estimating distance or location by measuring signal strength alone.

As mentioned above, with Bluetooth, signal strength is a poor indicator of distance.

Wifi’s accuracy is limited to a few meters, which makes it unusable in many use cases.

You can determine which room a worker is in in a factory building, but you cannot determine his exact location.

WiFi requires more power than UWB which is why all routers need to be plugged into a power outlet at all times.

Today, Wifi routers are also much more expensive than cheap UWB tags.

While Wi-Fi has made great strides in locating other devices and reducing costs, UWB is more accurate, uses less power, and is cheaper.

# Ultra Wideband Wifi
Battery Low consumption AC power (not using batteries)
scope Up to 200 m (656 ft) Up to 100 m (330 ft)
accuracy 10 cm (3.9 in) Jimmy
cost Low High
Best for Proximity marketing, customer analytics, indoor navigation, smart home, factory automation, asset tracking, logistics Proximity marketing, loyalty, basic customer analytics

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We have tested the UWB in an open environment before, and the maximum distance is 700 meters. There is an amplification circuit, but the signal is harmful to the human body.

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The signal is relatively not that strong. How much harm does it do to the human body? It can't do anything at a distance of 700 meters.  Details Published on 2022-6-17 12:44
 
 

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wangerxian posted on 2022-6-17 09:24 We have previously tested that the maximum distance of UWB in an open environment is 700 meters. There is an amplification circuit, but the signal is harmful to the human body.

The signal is relatively not that strong. How much harm does it do to the human body? It can't do anything at a distance of 700 meters.

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The main issue is cost. If solving a pain point brings about a bigger pain point, no one will be happy.

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It is still objective for shopping malls to position this market. Application maps cannot solve this problem. Only a small number of people are planning. I think it is OK.  Details Published on 2022-6-18 10:06
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btty038 posted on 2022-6-17 12:44 The signal is relatively not that big. How much is the signal amplified to harm the human body? It can't release anything at a distance of 700 meters

The people at the Metrology Institute said that it would be best for us to have a daughter, since it would have a certain effect on our health anyway.

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I don't agree with his statement because our department was originally engaged in high-power microwave broadband, with few protective measures, and the department was full of boys.  Details Published on 2022-6-18 10:11
 
 
 

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chunyang posted on 2022-6-17 14:44 The main issue is cost. If solving a pain point brings about a bigger pain point, no one will be happy.

It is still objective for shopping malls to position this market. Application maps cannot solve this problem. Only a small number of people are planning. I think it is OK.

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I am not optimistic about this, and I asserted many years ago that it would not be widely used in the short term. This "short term" has been a long time, and it is still a long way off.  Details Published on 2022-6-19 21:46
I am not optimistic about this, and I asserted many years ago that it would not be widely used in the short term. This "short term" has been a long time, and it is still a long way off.  Details Published on 2022-6-19 21:14
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wangerxian posted on 2022-6-17 17:28 People from the Institute of Metrology said that it would be best for us to have a daughter. Anyway, it will have a certain impact on the body.

I don't agree with his statement because our department was originally engaged in high-power microwave broadband, with few protective measures, and the department was full of boys.

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btty038 Published on 2022-6-18 10:06 It is still objective for shopping malls to position this market. Application maps cannot solve this problem. Only a small number of people are planning. I think it is possible...

I am not optimistic about this, and I predicted many years ago that it would not be widely used in the short term. This "short term" has been a long time, and it is still a long way off.

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I've seen in the past couple of days that Xiaomi, Apple, Samsung and Japan's Murata are all planning on this. Have there been any new developments in the past two years?   Details Published on 2022-6-19 21:42
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chunyang posted on 2022-6-19 21:14 I am not optimistic about this. Many years ago, I asserted that it would not be widely used in the short term. This "short term" has been a long time, and it is still a long way off. ...

I've seen in the past couple of days that Xiaomi, Apple, Samsung and Japan's Murata are all planning on this. Have there been any new developments in the past two years?

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btty038 Published on 2022-6-18 10:06 It is still objective for shopping malls to position this market. Application maps cannot solve this problem. Only a small number of people are planning. I think it is possible...

1901 Transmission of Morse code across the Atlantic Ocean using UWB signals from a spark gap radio transmitter

Then in the 1960s, UWB was used in military radars and is an essential component of how radars work today in terms of detecting range and direction.

In 2002, the FCC approved UWB for consumer/commercial applications.

UWB returned in 2019, updated as the 802.15.4z IEEE standard, renamed as a technology for precise ranging and positioning.

After looking at the development history, it seems to be making waves again. Is there any breakthrough?

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btty038 posted on 2022-6-19 21:42 I have seen Xiaomi, Apple, Samsung and Murata from Japan are all planning this. There are new entrants in the past two years...

I really can't see any "new progress"...

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