A boss can work in multiple companies at the same time, so why would an engineer be fired if he has work experience in two companies?

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A boss can work in multiple companies at the same time, so why would an engineer be fired if he has work experience in two companies? [Copy link]

 

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Davis Bell, CEO of software company Canopy, recently posted a short article on his LinkedIn, claiming that his company had just fired two employees who worked multiple full-time jobs. However, netizens did not seem to buy it, with many voices of opposition and even "death threats" against him.

Working multiple jobs full-time, two engineers were fired by the company

Below is a statement from Canopy CEO Davis Bell.

We caught and fired two recently hired engineers who had not left their last job at another large tech company when they came to us for a “job.” They were using a new job trend of getting a second full-time job and lying to both employers about it. This wasn’t a case of a side hustle or a part-time job, these people were working two simultaneous full-time jobs and lying about it, trying to sit in two meetings at once, etc. They were really bad early on, luckily we had great managers who caught their problems pretty quickly.

Whenever I see stories in the media about people doing this, I’m usually surprised that they don’t focus more on the basic ethical issues involved: having two full-time jobs is stealing, and it also involves lying and cheating.

I think some people think stealing from companies is less wrong than stealing from individuals, and the reality is that companies are owned by people. In the case of our employees, either directly or indirectly through pension funds that invest in venture capital and private equity funds and investment funds that own businesses. You are stealing from people who depend on you to do their jobs and whose careers depend on the success of the company they work for. In the end, you are likely stealing a job from someone who wants and needs it.

So to me this is not an interesting social trend, this is a new form of theft and deception, and it's not something an honest person would engage in.

Therefore, I thought it would be useful to share some commonalities among these people that can serve as red flags. These aren’t indicative of a problem on their own, but when combined together they can reflect a person with malicious intent:

• Instead of updating their LinkedIn profile to reflect their employment at Canopy, they changed their LinkedIn profile from public to private after accepting our offer.

• They didn’t sign up for welfare (not that that’s a problem, but it’s true in the two cases we have here).

• By default, the camera is turned off during a meeting.

• Slack/email response times are slow.

• Frequently arriving late or missing meetings without explanation.

• Having worked for very large companies, those values seemed to be more easily buried under the team.

Netizen: CEOs of multiple companies are praised for working, while ordinary employees are punished

Soon after Bell’s post was published, there was a strong backlash online, with many netizens asking why CEOs like Jack Dorsey (former Twitter CEO) and Elon Musk (Tesla CEO) are praised for working for multiple companies, while ordinary workers are punished for this, and engineers may have worked two jobs to make a living.

Judging from the comments of netizens, most people are dissatisfied with Bell's "thief" evaluation, thinking that they just did not meet the expected standards. A small number of people also think that the solution to prevent employees from working multiple jobs is to pay them double the salary.

CEO cursed by cyberbully: "I hope you die in a car accident"

After being criticized by most netizens, Bell closed the comments and updated his post. He claimed that things had become very bad and he was being bullied online: "Someone called and said they hoped I would die in a car accident."

According to Bell, Canopy discovered the first engineer two and a half months later when his colleagues discovered him missing meetings, failing to complete work, and constantly turning off his camera in meetings. The company called the employee in for a meeting with HR to discuss these issues. At the same time, the company also noticed that the engineer's LinkedIn profile was changed to private and no job options at Canopy were added.

This prompted Canopy to send an employment verification report to the engineer's "former" employer, who revealed that he was still employed there. The second engineer was in a similar situation.

Bell said that having two jobs is different from working part-time, and many Canopy employees have multiple sources of passive income. By doing this, "you're not only taking work away from another person, you're also hurting the people you work with. If you can't be held accountable for your deliverables, they're going to have to do more work."

How do you feel about being fired from multiple full-time jobs?

chunyang

The employer works for multiple companies and if any problems arise as a result, he will bear the consequences.

If an employee works for multiple companies and any problems arise as a result, he or she should also bear the consequences.

All of the above are fair and reasonable.

chunyang

The difference is that the former often has to take the initiative to bear the consequences, while the latter often bear the consequences passively.

freebsder

Yes, Teacher Chunyang is right. Everyone will bear the consequences. Boss, you can set up 200 companies, no problem. You have to invest in all 200 companies and you will be responsible for your investment. If there is a loss, it is the boss's own business.

chengyi1

Because we are not the boss.

lugl4313820

Bell said that having two jobs is different from working part-time, and many Canopy employees have multiple sources of passive income. By doing this, "you're not only taking work away from another person, you're also hurting the people you work with. If you can't be held accountable for your deliverables, they're going to have to do more work."

If there is no commercial competition, is this a problem?

btty038

There's nothing to say about this.

dql2016

The rules are set by the boss

戈壁滩上的辉煌

It's all about money. Who would do this if they had enough money?

eew_1PrAA0

In fact, it's the same. If you have enough money to start your own company, then just start your own company. You can open one after another. Employees usually work in the same industry. Will they leak information from one company to another?

吾妻思萌

Yes, why?

Honghuzaitian

I think if you can complete the work, you should be allowed to work for multiple companies. The more you work, the more you get.

hahajing

Let's talk about the essence. According to the boss's understanding, the two people had serious problems with their current jobs because of other jobs. They used their current working time to do other jobs. You should know that the current jobs are paid. If it is a part-time job, you can do it after work. The lower the grade, the closer it is to hourly workers. The higher the grade, the more say you have. Just like some people hang here, they can also generate income. The more experienced people can avoid unnecessary troubles. Some senior positions are all relatives.

秦天qintian0303

When an employee works in multiple companies, the main consideration is the risk issue, because there are confidentiality agreements or non-compete agreements, and you have to be careful when leaving. If there are no such constraints, it doesn't matter. Basically, one full-time employee takes on several part-time jobs, and part-time jobs are generally labor services.

fhl12431

It is definitely not okay for the boss to pay two employees and you to receive two salaries. The risk costs are different. The capitalists are very calculating.