Are old tools better? Or are you just lazy?

懒猫爱飞

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Cause of the incident: I helped someone design an electronic product in my spare time. I was responsible for writing ARM code and producing schematics, and another engineer produced PCBs. Because the configuration of my laptop at home is relatively low, the desktop at home is also installed with AD18, and AD9 is used inside. After a comprehensive comparison of the two software, the new one is more powerful and slightly more efficient. Let's get back to the topic. After the schematic was completed, I sent it to the buddy. I have used some chip packages here before. In order to save trouble, I put them on the PCB file and sent them to him, asking him to import them directly into his library file. As a result, he couldn't open it. Later, I learned from communication that he used protel 99se. Well, my stupid temper as a science and engineering man came up. I won't transfer it to you. You can do the package yourself. Well, I did something wrong in this matter. I didn't communicate in advance. I have a stupid temper! But what I want to discuss more is another thing, which is about the new and old issues of tools: About the new and old issues of tools: I don't deny that some things are better as they get older, such as a golden bowl, you can use it for a lifetime, and even pass it on to the next generation, and then to the next generation, and it will never be outdated. But some tools are debatable, such as transportation. Others can go to Beijing by plane, and you can also go to Beijing by bicycle. The key is who is faster, mainly looking at efficiency, of course, if you are challenging or for other purposes, such as computers. If you are still using a computer from 10 or 20 years ago, then your work efficiency will definitely not keep up with the latest computers. For example, this graphics software Protel 99se is almost 20 years old, and you still expect its efficiency and functions to catch up with the latest version. At present, some people will refute that the cost of transferring platforms is too high, even if it is free, engineers are not willing to switch. Yes, in the company, these may be considered, but I think as an engineer, there is only one reason for not wanting to switch - laziness! I once heard a sentence that shocked me - "Is it 10 years of experience, or is it the same experience used for 10 years?" Whether you admit it or not, some things are like this. It seems that you have worked for 10 years, but you are just repeating the same action. Some people also say that all roads lead to Rome, just do it. Yes, everything has two sides. When you understand this sentence, you have to consider its application environment. What I am discussing here is efficiency, and you are talking to me about methods. Everyone has limited energy and time, but if you want to work in this industry, you should at least know what the latest things are. You may not be able to use every tool, but you should know that I develop ARM software and BLE in my company, but I have installed AUTOCAD, AD, PADS, ORCAD, CMA250, Solid, PS... on my home computer. I will also install and try out some of the latest tools or software in a virtual machine. I don't force myself to know everything, but at least when others give me a file or something, I can respond quickly. The times are changing. We can't lock ourselves in our own little cages. We spend a lot of time building cars behind closed doors. It's not that the door is really closed, but that the door is open. Others are building cars in front of our door, but we choose to turn a blind eye. Okay, I've been spraying for so long, it's time to be spit on and hit with bricks

lcn1992

I also have a problem. I like to use the latest software.

24不可说

Without considering the computer configuration, it is meaningless to say this.

yanhaijian

Some companies require you to be very proficient in a certain aspect, while some companies require you to know a little about everything. Existence is reasonable.

懒猫爱飞

yanhaijian posted on 2018-10-31 10:50 Some companies need you to be very proficient in a certain aspect, and some companies need you to know a little bit about everything. Existence is reasonable.

In fact, my topic is that new tool software will be more efficient, not to discuss all-round talents: hug:

懒猫爱飞

24不可说 posted on 2018-10-31 10:28 If you don’t consider the computer configuration, it’s meaningless to say this.

As I said before, you can also reach Beijing by plane, or you can walk, and computers are also tools. This topic is about the efficiency of the latest tools. If you use a computer from 20 years ago, if it can run, you can also use the DOS version of protel to draw PCBs. The problem is how efficient it is. If you discuss the prerequisites with me, then I still want to say that this topic is bullshit for people who don’t understand computers, this topic is bullshit for laymen, and this topic is bullshit for tables...

懒猫爱飞

lcn1992 posted on 2018-10-31 10:05 I also have a problem, I like to use the latest software.

New software must have its new features in line with the development of the times

24不可说

Lazy Cat Loves Flying posted on 2018-10-31 11:01 As I said before, you can get to Beijing by plane, you can also walk, and computers are also tools. This topic is to discuss the efficiency of the latest tools...

Tools are definitely new and easy to use. Do we need to compare? So this is nonsense! Is it possible to not consider this or that when applying it in practice?

懒猫爱飞

24不可说 posted on 2018-10-31 11:27 The new tool is definitely better, is there any need to compare? So this is nonsense! Is it possible to not consider this or that when applying it in practice?

It seems that I really pissed you off, it's bullshit

AOE-hill

All roads lead to Rome, immediate success, near failure, more failure than success, lingering sound, gentleman on the beam, fictitious, succession

chunyang

In the end, what if you can only buy the tools you use yourself? The reality is that the tools used by Chinese engineers are of higher versions than the average version of American engineers, and the same is true in other fields...

lcn1992

Lazy Cat Loves Flying posted on 2018-10-31 11:02 New software must have new features in line with the development of the times

However, computer configurations are slowly failing to keep up with the development of software. Take AD for example, AD18 opens extremely slowly on my machine, perhaps taking one or two minutes, while AD10 is much faster.

elvike

You said it was PCB software. I am now using EE7.9 from Mentor, but the company used Mentor WG2004 before, and it only supports XP system, so all the computers in the hardware group are XP. I upgraded to EE7.9 for my own use, XP is really useless. But here comes the problem, the library of EE7.9 is not compatible with the library of WG2004, and the cost is also very high. How to maintain the files of the old version after the upgrade? There will be costs, not just the new one. It can be said that most companies' designs will not be completed with the new version of software.

chunyang

lcn1992 posted on 2018-10-31 15:10 However, the computer configuration is slowly not keeping up with the development of the software. Take AD for example. AD18 opens very slowly on my machine. It may take one or two minutes. AD ...

Is the computer's computing speed insufficient? You may want to open the task manager and check the CPU load. If the CPU is 100% occupied during the whole process of opening the software, it means that the computing power is indeed insufficient. Otherwise, it can only be said that the configuration is wrong rather than that it can't keep up. When loading large amounts of data, if you want to speed up, replace the mechanical hard disk with a solid state disk, and the effect will be immediate. In addition, there must be enough memory, otherwise the operating system will requisition hard disk space to simulate memory. If you use an old mechanical disk, it will be full of fragments after a long time of use. It would be strange if it is not slow, and no matter how good the CPU is, it will be useless.

wsmysyn

Personally, I like to use the latest version of software as much as possible. Some people think that the latest version has too many bugs, so I wait and see.

zhuyebb

Some companies require you to be very proficient in a certain aspect, while some companies require you to know a little bit about everything. Existence is reasonable.

lcn1992

chunyang posted on 2018-10-31 23:21 Is the computer's computing speed insufficient? You might want to open the task manager and check the CPU load. If the CPU is 100% occupied during the entire process of running the software, it means...

I have an i5 processor, 8G memory, and a solid-state hard drive. I am not a teenager, but I am middle-aged. Maybe it's the problem with the AD software I downloaded. But AD10 is indeed relatively faster.

bigbat

Five or six years ago, there was a PCB factory whose workers could not use the higher versions of DXP or AD and could only accept PCB files of protel99. I had to convert the file format every time. And I met a buddy who could not speak English! He could only use the "Chinese version" of protel99. So he did not change the version.

懒猫爱飞

To summarize, 1) From the company's perspective, there are indeed many problems with switching to a new version of software, which cannot be explained in a few words, especially for large companies. 2) The original intention of the poster is not to discuss the company, but to discuss the individual. 3) The original intention of the poster is to say that you can learn more about new software. It is not costly for individuals to learn, as long as you spend energy and time. You mentioned the version problem, then you can use a trial version or special methods to deal with it yourself. Get in touch with new things first, at least when switching companies, you don't have to rush, or you can get started immediately when you change to other companies. To put it bluntly, most PCB engineers operate software, which is actually using tools. You can conquer the world with one tool, so if you have time and energy, it's not a bad idea to learn all kinds of skills. 4) As for software, just like IAR and MDK, the compilation efficiency or editing page of the new version must have been improved. It is not a bad thing to experience the new version and compare it with the old version in your spare time. 5) As for electronic circuits, some people say, I am still using 8051, I can develop industrial robots with 8051, why should I bother with ARM, it is good enough as long as it is good enough... Yes, as long as you think it is good enough! 6) By extension, some people say, I can ride a bicycle to work, why should I buy a car? I can be cool with a fan in the hot summer, why should I get an air conditioner, and one with Bluetooth and wifi... 7) Okay, I have gone off topic, the original intention of the original poster is a personal one

hongying

Basically, the newer the software tools, the better. The higher the computer configuration, the better. The older the antiques, the better. What is the best to use depends on the requirements of your environment.