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Studying Things to Gain Knowledge 06: A Drop of Water Generator [Copy link]

 

  In 1867, British scientist Kelvin invented a device for generating very high voltage, which was later called the Kelvin dripping generator.
  The structure of the Kelvin dripping generator is quite simple. As shown in Figure (01), there is a water tank A at the top, and a switch that controls the water flow is connected to the bottom of the water tank, and then the water flow is divided into two paths through a three-way pipe. The water tank is grounded, so under modern conditions, the upper water tank can be directly replaced by a tap. Below the
  two drip nozzles for water outlet are two conductor rings B and C, and water droplets can drip through these two conductor rings into the two conductor barrels D and E below. The two conductor rings B and C and the two conductor barrels D and E must be well insulated from each other. Ring B and barrel E, and ring C and barrel D are connected by wires. A
  certain amount of ordinary water is injected into the upper water tank A, and the water in the water tank drips through the two drip nozzles, passes through the two rings B and C and falls into barrels D and E. The two barrels D and E will be charged and generate a relatively high voltage between them. It doesn't take a lot of water, just a few cups of water to make the voltage between D and E reach tens of thousands of volts or more, which can be seen from the two gold foils in the electroscope H. If the distance between the two conductor barrels D and E is relatively close, spark discharge can even be generated between D and E. If the distance between the two barrels and the distance between the two rings are relatively far, the water droplets may eventually fly around under the action of high voltage and fly onto the conductor rings B and C. The water splashing everywhere destroys the insulation everywhere, and the experiment ends. [

attach]437548[ /attach] Figure (01) Kelvin dripping water generator
  How can a few cups of ordinary water generate such a high voltage?
  To explain the cause of the high voltage, please see Figure (02).

Figure (02) Working principle of dripping water generator
  Figure (02) omits the insulating bracket, leaving only the drip nozzle and water flow A, two conductor rings B and C, and two conductor barrels D and E. The figure also shows a water drop F dripping from the conductor ring B and a water drop G dripping from the conductor ring C.
  Before the water drop drips, the voltage between the two rings and the two barrels is not zero, and there is always a small voltage between the two. This small voltage may be caused by wind (if anyone does not believe it, please ask the ladies with long hair whether they have ever had their hair stick together with electricity on a windy day), or by human hands touching it (don't forget that the human heart keeps beating, and the electrocardiogram shows that there is at least a few millivolts of voltage between different parts of the human body)... In short, like thermal noise in the circuit, the voltage between the two will not be zero.
  Assume that the left barrel D (together with the right ring C) is slightly negatively charged, and the right barrel D (together with the left ring B) is slightly positively charged. In Figure (02), we use red to represent positive charge and blue to represent negative charge. Then, rings B and C will redistribute the charge in the water in tube A. The water drop F flowing out from the left side will carry a small amount of negative charge because ring B is positively charged, while the water drop G flowing out from the right side will carry a small amount of positive charge because ring C is negatively charged. The
  falling water drop F carries a negative charge and G carries a positive charge. When F and G fall into buckets D and E, they will transfer their own charge to buckets D and E, causing the voltage between buckets D and E to increase. Naturally, the voltage between rings B and C will also increase. The water droplets that continue to drip will carry more negative and positive charges. When the water droplets that continue to drip fall into the bucket, the voltage between buckets D and E will increase further. In this way, the water droplets that continue to drip carry more and more charge, and the voltage between buckets D and E will increase. Obviously, this is a positive feedback process. This process will continue until spark discharge occurs between the two buckets or the two rings, or the water droplets fly to the rings due to electrostatic force and destroy the insulation.
  Obviously, the device shown in Figure (01) has the ability to generate electricity and is a power source.
  A power source is defined as a device that converts other forms of energy into electrical energy by using non-electric field forces to do work on electric charges. So, what force is doing work in the "Kelvin water droplet generator"? What form of energy is converted into electrical energy?
  From Figure (02), it is very obvious that the charge carried by the falling water droplet has the same sign as the charge carried by the bucket. The water droplet is repelled by the bucket, and the direction of the electrostatic force on the water droplet is upward. Since the water droplet is subjected to an upward force, the speed at which the water droplet falls into the bucket will be lower than when it is not subjected to the electrostatic force. In other words, the gravitational potential energy of the water is not completely converted into the kinetic energy of the water droplet, but a part of it is converted into electrical energy.
  The charged water droplets fall intermittently. Does
  this intermittent movement of electric charges constitute an electric current? The intermittent movement of electric charges in the charged water droplets certainly constitutes an electric current. Although the charged water droplets are discontinuous, the definition of electric current is "the directional movement of electric charges", which does not require continuity. The directional movement of free electrons in conductors such as copper and iron is called conduction current; the current formed by the movement of charged objects such as water droplets is called transport current. The common point of these two currents is that they both produce magnetic effects. By the way: changes in electric fields can also produce magnetic effects, which Maxwell called "displacement current", but changes in electric fields do not cause charges to move.

Figure (03) Kelvin
  Who is Kelvin? How did he come up with this kind of generator?
  Kelvin's real name was William Thomson. He entered the University of Glasgow at the age of 14, and later studied at Cambridge University. He also studied in France. William Thomson made considerable contributions to mathematical physics, thermodynamics, electromagnetism, and elasticity mechanics, and presided over the technical work of the transatlantic submarine cable. For this reason, he was knighted in 1866. Later, he was knighted Lord Kelvin in 1892. It was because of his outstanding contributions to thermodynamics that the 10th International Conference on Weights and Measures named the thermodynamic temperature "Kelvin".
  Kelvin made the above experimental instrument in 1867, when the transatlantic submarine cable had been completed. He also proposed the second law of thermodynamics as early as 1851. At the end of the 19th century, Kelvin was a leading figure in the field of physics. The reason why Kelvin made such an instrument that looks like a toy to us today is to experiment with a power generation device that is different from the generator that uses Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction to convert mechanical energy into electrical energy.
  Today, it seems that this "Kelvin dripping water generator" does not have much practical use: it can indeed convert mechanical energy into electrical energy, and can generate a very high voltage (generating spark discharge at a distance of several centimeters), but the current generated is very small.
  However, this seemingly useless "Kelvin dripping water generator" inspired the Dutch physicist Van de Graaff more than 60 years later and was put into practical use. For details, please see the subsequent "Investigation of Things to Gain Knowledge II Van de Graaff Generator".



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When I was a kid, I made a high-voltage capacitor with aluminum foil from dozens of cigarette boxes and wide tape for sealing boxes. After the charge and discharge test, I wanted to make it bigger. I short-circuited it and took it apart. When I was almost done, the two plates separated and one of the rolls bounced up. A hand happened to hold an electrode, and the tape at the plate was pierced. My heart skipped a beat. It was so exciting. I read a book and learned that it might be because the discharge was not complete and there was still a certain amount of charge. When the distance between the plates was pulled apart, the capacity decreased, and the voltage between the two plates would increase.

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The voltage between the two plates increases because the external force does work when the two plates are pulled apart, and the work done by pulling the two plates apart is converted into electrical energy.  Details Published on 2019-10-17 08:31
The voltage between the two plates increases because the external force does work when the two plates are pulled apart, and the work done by pulling the two plates apart is converted into electrical energy.  Details Published on 2019-10-12 12:38
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PowerAnts posted on 2019-10-12 12:18 When I was a kid, I made a high-voltage capacitor with aluminum foil from dozens of cigarette boxes and wide tape for sealing boxes. After the charge and discharge test, I wanted to make it bigger. I short-circuited it and then took it apart. Quick disassembly...

The voltage between the two plates increases because the external force does work when the two plates are pulled apart, and the work done by pulling the two plates apart is converted into electrical energy.

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At that time, I thought about ejecting charged objects to generate high voltage during flight to replace electric batons, but flying on the surface uses the earth as a reference point, so it obviously failed. It took me a long time to figure it out.  Details Published on 2019-10-12 13:54
 
 
 

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maychang posted on 2019-10-12 12:38 The voltage between the two plates increases because the external force does work when the two plates are pulled apart, and the work done by pulling the two plates apart is converted into electrical energy.

At that time, I thought about ejecting charged objects to generate high voltage during flight to replace electric batons, but flying on the surface uses the earth as a reference point, so it obviously failed. I thought about it for a long time before I figured it out.

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If the transmitting end is grounded, and the charged body being emitted is replaced with saline solution, and the diameter of the liquid column is as thin as possible, then continuous emission is possible. Is there any way to do it?  Details Published on 2019-10-16 09:03
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Make DE square, like the two plates of a capacitor, and charge it initially. The discharge process will be greatly shortened. Otherwise, you have to wait a long time to see the discharge phenomenon, and if you miss it, you have to wait again.

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Yes, charging in advance can speed up the process (it doesn't have to be square, which has a lot of disadvantages). Later, the idea of this device was developed by a Dutch-American physicist, who made another type of generator that has been used to this day. This story will be told in "Investigating Things to Gain Knowledge 06 Part 2".  Details Published on 2019-10-14 19:02
 
 
 

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alianyyj posted on 2019-10-14 18:48 Make DE square, like the two plates of a capacitor, and charge it at the beginning. Wouldn't the discharge process be greatly shortened? Otherwise, you have to wait a long time to see the discharge...

Yes, charging in advance can speed up the process (it doesn't have to be square, which has a lot of disadvantages). Later, the idea of this device was developed by a Dutch-American physicist, who made another type of generator that has been used to this day. This story will be told in "Investigating Things to Gain Knowledge 06 Part 2".

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PowerAnts posted on 2019-10-12 13:54 At that time, I thought of ejecting charged objects to generate high voltage during flight to replace electric batons, but flying on the surface uses the earth as a reference point, which obviously failed, ...

If the transmitting end is grounded, and the charged body being emitted is replaced with saline solution, and the diameter of the liquid column is as thin as possible, then continuous emission is possible. Is there any way to do it?

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First, the liquid column cannot be continuous and must break after falling a certain distance, because the distance the liquid falls is proportional to the square of the time. Second, if the liquid column is continuous, it will not generate electricity - the two buckets below that collect water will be short-circuited by the liquid column.  Details Published on 2019-10-16 20:29
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shipeng posted on 2019-10-16 09:03 If the transmitting end is grounded and the charged body is replaced with saline, and the diameter of the liquid column is as thin as possible, continuous transmission can be achieved. I don’t know if it’s feasible...

First, the liquid column cannot be continuous and must break after falling a certain distance because the distance the liquid falls is proportional to the square of the time.

Second, if the liquid column is continuous, no electricity can be generated - the two buckets below that collect water will be short-circuited by the liquid column.

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This is one of the reasons why the current is not large.  Details Published on 2019-10-17 08:51
This is one of the reasons why the current is not large.  Details Published on 2019-10-17 08:33
 
 
 

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PowerAnts posted on 2019-10-12 12:18 When I was a kid, I made a high-voltage capacitor with aluminum foil from dozens of cigarette boxes and wide tape for sealing boxes. After the charge and discharge test, I wanted to make it bigger. I short-circuited it and then took it apart. Quick disassembly...

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maychang posted on 2019-10-16 20:29 First, the liquid column cannot be continuous. It must break after falling a certain distance, because the distance the liquid falls is proportional to the square of the time. Second, if...

This is one of the reasons why the current is not large.

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maychang posted on 2019-10-16 20:29 First, the liquid column cannot be continuous. It must break after falling a certain distance, because the distance the liquid falls is proportional to the square of the time. Second, if...

What if there is a capacitive relationship between the liquid column or droplet and the ground?

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Liquid columns are different from liquid droplets. Liquid columns are continuous conductors, while liquid droplets are discontinuous. If the potential of a droplet changes, there will be no charge transfer between the droplets, but this is not the case with a liquid column. The charge will move in the liquid column, making the potential of each point in the liquid column roughly the same.  Details Published on 2019-10-17 09:42
Liquid columns are different from liquid droplets. Liquid columns are continuous conductors, while liquid droplets are discontinuous. If the potential of a droplet changes, there will be no charge transfer between the droplets, but this is not the case with a liquid column. The charge will move in the liquid column, making the potential of each point in the liquid column roughly the same.  Details Published on 2019-10-17 09:39
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shipeng posted on 2019-10-17 08:51 What if the relationship between the liquid column or droplet and the earth is a capacitor?

Liquid columns are different from liquid droplets. Liquid columns are continuous conductors, while liquid droplets are discontinuous. If the potential of a droplet changes, there will be no charge transfer between the droplets, but this is not the case with a liquid column. The charge will move in the liquid column, making the potential of each point in the liquid column roughly the same.

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shipeng posted on 2019-10-17 08:51 What if the relationship between the liquid column or droplet and the earth is a capacitor?

A droplet can form a capacitor with the earth because the two are insulated from each other. For a liquid column, it depends on whether the place where it flows out and the place where it flows in are connected to the earth (because the liquid column conducts electricity, the place where it flows out and the place where it flows in are actually the same conductor).

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This is really a very interesting experiment, but I guess there aren’t many students who can do experiments well nowadays, right?

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It is neither necessary nor possible to redo all the experiments in the history of scientific development. It is enough to understand these experiments.  Details Published on 2019-10-25 17:26
 
 
 

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rgbgirl posted on 2019-10-25 12:27 This is really a very interesting experiment, but I guess there are not many students who can do experiments well now, right?

It is neither necessary nor possible to redo all the experiments in the history of scientific development. It is enough to understand these experiments.

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